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nothing new with no details. it is a republican compromise solution to the impending fiscal cliff. spending cut and tax increases that both sides mean would mean recession. after what both sides called a frustrating weekend. today's development don't appear to break a log jam. not yet. ed henry begins our coverage. >> reporter: good evening. they are saying the plan is ridiculous, so much so they will not offer counterproposal to the g.o.p. counterproposal and say tonight unless speaker boehner gives in on raising taxes on the rich, the president is ready to go off the cliff. >> right now i'd say we are nowhere, period. nowhere. >> john boehner declaring a stalemate in an exclusive with fox, as republicans teed off on president obama first offer that included new spending plus 1.6 trillion in tax hikes. totally unacceptable. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made political calculation. white house officials insisted disaster could be amended and demanded a counter offer on the table. >> what we hope for is specificity from the republicans. >> an hour la
in the impending tax hikes and budget cuts. focusing on a particular issue of the fiscal cliff. each day. this morning's focus was on the payroll tax cut. continues. host: joining us now is kim dixon, a tax policy correspondent for reuters. this is part of our series on the so-called fiscal cliff. today we're looking at the issue of the payroll tax cut. kim dixon, when did the payroll tax cuts issue come into effect? guest: about two years ago at this time. expiration of the bush-era tax cuts that began in 2001 were set to expire. republicans control the house. president obama wanted to continue them for everybody except those in the top 2% tax rate. --wasn't ended the year deal it was an end-of-the-year deal. the obama administration was looking for the stimulus measure. they thought it would be hard for republicans to oppose a tax cuts. host: the money rigidly was going where -- the money originally was going where? guest: going to the social security trust >> we take you live now to the u.s. capitol and house speaker john boehner. >> the president has warned us about the dangers of go
to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of the year. no formal talks between the two sides are scheduled today. will go outside the nation's capital to get your voice involved. republicans -- democrats -- independents -- send us a tweet, post your comments on facebook, or send us an e-mail. we begin with some of the papers across the country today and how this latest proposal from house republicans is playing out in the papers. courtesy of "the atlantic journal-constitution" -- here is "the denver post" -- finally, here is "of the arizona republic" -- here is "the washington post" on what is inside this deal -- we want to get your take on this. what do you think? ted in new york, a democratic caller. what do you think? caller: good morning. i do not think it goes far enough. i think it was greenspan that i heard last week said in a discussion panel that a recession as a result of going over the fiscal slope would be a small price to pay to pay back all the
. >> reporter: stocks rallied as corporate news overshadowed concerns about the fiscal cliff. citigroup plans to cut 11,000 jobs as the bank's new ceo looks to save money. the cuts amount to about 4% of siti's -- sity's -- citi's work group. and it includes closing some branches. u.s. companies added fewer workers in november. bartly because super storm sandy shut down many businesses. including factories and retailers. they will get a better picture of the job market friday. shares of apple fell as much as 4% after a research firm raised its outlook of sales for tablet computers, pointing to strong demand from ipad rivals, from amazon, google and samsung. >>> and nokia's stock rallied,a -- after they launched a new version of the smart phone for the chinese market. >>> and another starbucks may be opening near you. the world's biggest coffee chain plans to add 150 stores over the u.s. over the next five years bringing the total number of starbucks to 20,000 by 2014. that's your money watch. for more, head to in new york, i'm alex
. the president makes an offer to avoid the fiscal cliff. lso where are the cuts? we are live in washington with the details. look at that guy. a construction worker walks in a convenience store checks his number and walks out perhaps a multimillionaire. we'll tell it to you straight away. >> officer and a gentleman. you will hear from the cop who spent his hard earned cash to buy a pair of socks and shoes. he pet them on him. "fox and friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪ ho, ho hompt >> indeed. rick it is not christmas time here in new york city until rick descends down one of the tallest buildings in connecticut and there he is. screen left from last year screen right. when he bumped into the building. good morning to you rick. >> some traditions like fruit cake that shouldn't happen . maybe it is one of those tradition. you do it once and this is a building here. give you a shot from the top going down. it gets a little dark there. it gives you an individual. tan ford downtown height lights and they start it off by santa going over this with elvescan on sunday night. last couple of years w
a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. a huge package of tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in january one. they spent time blaming each other for not getting serious. in his weekly address, president obama says he is ready to make a deal but wouldn't accept continued tax cuts for the wealthiest people. >>> the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but, it is unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the e
days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. drastic cuts that some feel will plow us back into a recession. >> only negotiations between the republicans and the white house have stop it. president obama tried to step up the pressure on republicans, visiting a family in northern virginia whose taxes would go up by some $4,000 a year if an agreement isn't reached. >> they're keeping it together. they're working hard. they're meeting their responsibilities. for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> the president also met with new jersey's governor chris christie over at the white house. the republican governor was here in washington to talk about hurricane sandy relief efforts, and now they're in danger of going over the fiscal cliff with the rest of the country at the end of the month. our national political correspondent jim acosta has been covering this story for us. what's the latest with chris christie in washington. >> reporter: t
cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because that has become the big divide between the two sides. the answer is the house republicans are not budging. they still want to continue the bush era tax rates at all income levels. let's get specific. first of all, the counterproposal, they say they would get about $800 billion in savings from what they call tax reform, from deductions and closing loopholes, things like that. but the bush era tax rates, all of them would remain, even for the wealthiest. to show you the difference, compared to the white house offer that they got last week, $1.6 trillion in savings when it comes to tax revenue. but much of that came from raising ta
of cutting spending is wrong. >> is the president serious about avoiding the fiscal cliff allen webb resphond. >> my homeowner insurance offered me $150 what can i do with that? >> they lost the home and business and sense of security. victims of super storm sandep ho on how they are coping. >> who can throw their hate in the ring for 2016. ladies and gentlemen. our guest host tonight dana preno. [ applause ] ♪ >> welcome to huckabee. i am dana pereno and i want to thank governor huckabee to have me guest host. it is it a month since the presidential election and half of the country is elate vindicate they voted for president obama and walking on cloud 9. the other half not so much. they are confuse despondant and sleepless. they wonder if the nation has gone mad and want to return to common sense not another four years on fantasy island. we are taught as kids to be good sports man and not gloat and give the other side high 5 and say good game. have we seen much much that. nope. being a good matter means being a gracious winner and a good spirited loserine if it is hard to feel that way. le
a deal on that fiscal cliff. just 31 days left until we hit those $7 trillion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases if negotiations break down. and both sides of the aisle are going straight to the public in order to plead their case, or rather tell us why the other side is to blame. this is president obama in his weekly radio address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans onboard, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> in the republican response, senator orrin hatch takes th s hostage metaphor one step further and brings to mind a memorable movie scene. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are offering a disastrous thelma and luiz strategy that would take u
compromise with their latest counter offer on the fiscal cliff. not as many spending cuts as they originally wanted and slight entitlement reform. the white house has just reject this offer out of hand and once again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me wa
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and avoiding the fiscal cliff? congressman allen west respon responds. >> and-- >> and owed the insurance companies $150, what can we do with that. >> they've lost their homes, businesses and sense of security. is help on the way? victims of superstorm sandy. >> and how can republicans attract hispanic voters? and a look ahead who could throw their hat in the ring for 2016. ladies and gentlemen, our guest host tonight, dana perino. [applaus [applause] >> and i'm dana perino and i want to thank governor huckabee for inviting me to guest host it week while he's out on tour. it's been almost a month since the presidential election and about half the country remains elated, vindicated triumphant. they voted for president obama and are walking on cloud nine. the other half, well, not so much. they are confused, despondent, even sleepless, they wonder if the whole nation has gone quite mad and want to return it common sense not another four years on fantasy island. now, we're taught as kids to be good sportsmen, not to gloat after winning, to give the other side a high five and say good game.
the groundwork for getting a quick fix to this fiscal cliff. they could then move on to the spending cuts portion. >> sam stein, "huffington post," good to have you with us. >> go giants. >> stop that. >> had to do that. >> giants are okay. i like the packers better. remember to answer tonight's question question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. >>> coming up, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell says democrats need to raise the eligibility age for medicare? obama care architect dr. zeke manual joins me to talk about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attention. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our members can make... that's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharm
of this negotiation around the fiscal cliff, the president actually indicated today that he might be president-electable. he says he's not necessarily looking for income tax rates as high as they were under president clinton. secretary geithner is going to meet with congressional leaders tomorrow. do you think they will demonstrating some wiggle room, as well? >> i personally don't think it's that big of a banner sign. if there was actually a movement toward a deal, i think you'd see president obama meeting with these leaders in congress as opposed to cabinet aids. i'm hearing democrats still pressing the case. they're still making the argument that they want to raise taxes on that small percentage of americans. the white house has not put forth any specifics. depending how the president secretary goes, there is miles of space in between the two sides on this one. >> all right. one of my favorite reporters juana summers with politico. thank you for joining us. >> up next, it has several layers. the story on the outside is far different than the inside. yes, as far as metaphors go, the saga of
. this is not the whole fiscal cliff but just the sequester. $1.2 trillion of mandatory spending cuts over ten years and scheduled for january 2nd. half of that money cut in defense. half in everything else. next year alone could take $65 billion out of spending and a million jobs versus growing 2 million which is what the u.s. is on track to do now. i fully understand the government needs to spend less and spend more efficiently but how you achieve it is as important as how much you cut and the sledge hammer approach is not economically sound. now, there are targeted and measured ways to do it without driving the country in to another recession. some debate today as to whether we're in one or not but the sequester will only make things worse. congress, solve it. solve it nowme. we're all watching. housing is hot. if you have credit and money for a down payment, the perfect time to buy. nationally, affordability is the best it's been in a long time. new york city is the least affordable place in america to purchase a home. no big surprise here. home prices in new york are nearly two and a half times
on this fiscal cliff which has automatic tax hikes and spending cuts as of january one, they are trying to avert that. he says any deal on this must include an end to the debt ceiling all together. he wants complete power to raise the country's limit by himself. he doesn't want to have to get congressional approval. that is a demand stirring strong response from republicans today. >> the on way we ever cut spending is by using the debate over the debt limit to do it. now the president wants to remove that spur to cut all together. of course, it gets in the way of his spending plans. i can assure you it one happen. the american people want washington to get spending under control and the debt limit is the best tool we have to make the president take that demand seriously. the american people want us to fight to cut spending. it's a fight they deserve and a fight we are happy to have. >> joining me now, simon rosenberg. and mark theisen. guys, welcome. simon, let me start with you on this. we did have some democrats come on the show and say no, the president doesn't get to just decide when to rais
the negotiations on the fiscal cliff. that's two things. $500 billion tax increase, the 2001, 2003 tax cuts lapsing and sequestration of spending restraint. it is a good thing, but saving $100 billion, -- >> not a common republican point of view. a lot of defense cuts. >> the head of the conservative caucus, 60% of most conservative guys in the house, jim jordan said the only thing worst than the sequester would be not having the savings and you saw mitch mcconnell saying we aren't ending the sequester. people are drawing lines in the sand -- let's try to cut to it. >> it has to be on c-span only then would the president have to say and boehner would say your spending cuts are what? cbs and nbc hasn't done that. and he was wandering around and if you look at the savings in this budget, $800 billion for not occupying iraq. and he cuts that as part of the savings. he counts of the savings, then you can't have the situation where republicans get why don't you raise taxes all day and no focus. once the bill is written, it needs to be online so everybody can go on their computer and read it and guys in
that fiscal cliff house republicans are now offering up a plan of their own to avert that combination of spending cuts and tax hikes. it's set to welcome us all on january 1st if they don't have an agreement. i'm jenna lee. jon: some kind of welcome that would be. i'm jon scott. within hours of seeing the proposal the white house slammed the g.o.p. offer saying quote their plan provides nothing new and provides no details on what deductions they'll limb nature, loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve. house speaker john boehner inc insists his offer is the best one on the table calling it a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house. jenna: mike emanuel is with us. certainly a challenge to find this ideal plan. what is holding it up. >> reporter: the chairman of the senate budget committee wants a large come proceed hence i have deal in the range of $5 trillion and says a grand bargain can get done if everybody kaoels cool and doesn't overreact to every valley over the net. he this is a camp david-style summit might help things
post-election interrue. anticipate plenty of discussion about the counteroffer on the fiscal cliff. and the gop would avoid toxin creases for everyone including the 1%. and endorse $1.4 trillion in cuts and adjustments to medicare, social security and other mandatory programs. the white house says it does not pass the test of balance and sticks the middle class with the bill. nancy pelosi will file the discharge position that we talked about yesterday, and that would force a vote for the bush tax cuts. the new "washington post" pugh research poll say 58% of those asked say it would be the republicans fault if we go over the fiscal cliff. and that shows all this back and forth isn't doing house gop any good. we're back after the break. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call
a fiscal cliff. look, if you don't cut at least $4 trillion over 10 years, which is $400 billion a year, we are running a deficit at that time around $1.5 trillion over what we were bringing in. they are saying, i thought it was pretty modest, if you don't cut at least $400 billion of the $1.5 trillion you are overspending, then you are going to get downgraded. leaders in both parties really didn't take that seriously. so they came back with a proposal of a super committee and if the super committee didn't reach an agreement on $1.2 trillion over 10 years, $120 billion, a reduction from the overspending of $1.5 trillion, that should have been a drop in the bucket. that's nothing. we should have been able to cut that much. we didn't do. so now the sequestrations are looming and we come back to this issue again. i'm shocked so many people have already forgotten. when we failed to cut $4 trillion over 10 years from our budget back in the summer of 2011, we got downgraded. and things got more expensive. geithner back then was saying august 2, the world comes to an end financially. we are going
for word. but first this, the fiscal cliff, the talks hit a huge road bump. zingers and verbal jabs are flying while actual talks are at a stand still. president obama says republicans must agree to preserve a middle class tax cut as first part of any deal. and he linked republicans to scrooge today while touring a pennsylvania toy factory. listen. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. every family, everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1st. i mean, i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that is sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> that's pretty scroogy, right? president obama's proposal calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue. $50 billion for new stimulus spending. and about $400 billion in entitlement cuts. republicans say, the president's proposal's nothing but a political stunt. here is boehner. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax
of this year. then, senator orrin hatch from utah gives the republican address on the fiscal cliff which refers to automatic tax increases and spending cuts that would go into effect in 2013. >> hi, everybody. i'm here on the factory floor of a business in hatfield, pennsylvania, where folks are working around the clock making toys to keep up with the christmas rush. and i came here because, back in washington, the clock is ticking on some important decisions that will have a real impact on our businesses - and on families like yours. the most pressing decision has to do with your taxes. see, at the end of the year, middle-class tax cuts are set to expire. and there are two things that can happen. first, if congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. a typical middle class family of four will see their income taxes rise by $2,200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford it, and neither can our economy. the second option is better. right now, congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,
talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end the bush era tax cuts. he spoke at a manufacturing facility in hatfield, pennsylvania, for about 25 minutes. >> thank you! [cheers and applause] >> well, good morning, everybody. everybody, please have a seat, have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello, hatfield! it is good to be back in pennsylvania and it is good to be right here at connects. i want to thank michael airington and the inventor of connects, joel glickman, for hosting me today. where'd they go? stand up so everybody can see you guys. there you go! i just noticed, we got a couple of outstanding members of congress here. chaka pata, and allison schwartz. i just finished getting a tour of the connects workshop. i have to say, it makes me wish that joel had invented this stuff a little sooner when i was a kid. back then, you couldn't really build a rollercoaster out of your erector set. i also got a chance to meet some of the folks who have been working around the clock to keep up with the christmas rush and that's a good thing.
." who is afraid of the big bad so-called fiscal cliff? maybe it should be termed the nice gradual fiscal slope. we've certainly heard a lot of ceos and other financial cassandras in recent weeks prove size doom if it a deal isn't cut by year's owned. but washington, both side have dug in their heels, and the answer may be that suddenly the sliding down the fiscal slope does not seem that bad. maybe that's why the republicans leaders like speaker of the house john boehner were able to put off making a counter proposal to the president's offer until today. crossing the red line on the talks by rejecting the demind that the republicans accept a hike in the marginal tax rate for those with income over a quarter million dollars a year. my view? obviously i agree with the white house on the substance and as i have said before, their hand gets stronger over time. but sometimes a new idea can change the dynamic. here is an idea that has been around for a long time, supported by james tobin way back and pushed by ralph nadar in a "washington post" op-ed this weekend. impose a tax on financial tra
the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need in case of possible plans in case of those automatic spending cuts that could go in place in just 27 days. >> peter alexander at the white house for us tonight. thank you. >>> and up next, the loss today of a legend in american music. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but with copd making it hard to breathe, i thought those days might be over. so my doctor prescribed symbicort. it helps significantly improve my lung function starting within five minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. with symbicort, today i'm breathing better. and that on! symbicort is for copd including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. s
during fiscal cliff negotiations, we're not seeing much in terms of a deal. the latest roadblock is the cost of federal retirement programs. republicans are staying is up to the president to cut back on medicare medicaid and social security but democrats want entitlement programs completely off the table. today, the white house is sending treasury secretary timothy geithner and congressional negotiator rob neighbor to capitol hill where they will lay out their proposal with speaker boehner. more bill press is coming up after the break. as always, we're live in our chat room and would love to see you there. we're right back. you're about to watch a viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. as i was leaving the service i went into a civilian career for a little bit but i was looking for a little bit more than what the civilian career had to offer me and that's when learned about the little caesars
off the fiscal cliff and the congress is blaming for inaction. >> it's unacceptable to hold the middle tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let the tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> the republicans call this a bait and switch. >> alisyn: we'll debate. >> dave: one massachusetts town rolling out the welcome mat to long islanders for christmas tree lighting after the they refused to budge on the holiday event. the p.c. please. >> should you tip your garbage collector or how about your child's teacher? we have tips for tipping or the barista at starbucks. >> dave: no! sorry, ladies and gentlemen. >> "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> are you supposed to tip the teacher. >> dave: some are, some are not. >> you want to err on the side of tipping and is it too much. do you tip the garbage man or the postal employee. you leave a bunt cake outside. >> alisyn: yes, money. they want money. >> dave: we'll get into it later, but it's tough because it used to be you tip someone for extraordinary service. >> alisyn: right. >> dave: now you just tip someone please. >> a
know you have all heard of the so-called fiscal cliff, the huge tax hikes and spending cuts that will be triggered if congress and the white house don't reach a budget deal by the end of the month. well, what are we looking at? first, cuts in defense. also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of elementary. what they're doing, both sides really, is doing a lot of posturing and waiting until they get close to the deadline if not go over the deadline because they feel if they go over the deadline, they're in a position to tell their hard core supporters, look, we have really got to make this deal now or that's the end. the economy goes back in
the groundwork for a quick fix to this fiscal cliff. >> sam stein, "huffington post," good to have you with us. >> go giants. >> stop that. >> had to do that. >> remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts on twitter @edshow and on facebook. >>> coming up, mitch mcconnell saying raising limits. we're talking about what will happen if the parties don't come to a deal. a record number of filibusters. john boehner is fighting to keep it that way. we'll tell you what that's about. >>> fast food workers stage the largest strike in their history. we'll show you what they hope to accomplish here in the big apple. >>> and later the white house releases the first beau obama christmas video. it's much better than the old barney camp videos and we have the tape to prove us. share your thoughts on facebook and twitter. we're coming right back. of ta. it's changing the conversation. ♪ or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the
to be reluctant to propose cuts. that brings us more likely or closer to this fiscal cliff which i think is more of a mole hill than a mountain. but i think that that's where we may end up. i think we may see some more drama as a result of that. >> reluctant to raise taxes, but i'm cautiously optimistic that i'm seeing people pull away from grover norquist and hold onto the mantle of reagan and he raised taxes. corker saying i'm not beholden to grover nor quest and i'm beholden to my constituency. i see some movement. the cutting of programs is going to be a different story. >> i don't think anybody wants to cut programs. republicans don't because they're now in what they consider the rebuilding mode, but the challenge is going to be that there are democrats -- if you take a look at some of these tax issues, estate taxes, the president is not going to have unified support from the house on that issue because he's going to lose most likely the congressional black caucus, he'll lose representatives of farming states because it's going to decimate -- >> it is not going to decimate. that is an absol
hill as the fiscal cliff looms now just 32 days away. house speaker john boehner says no progress has been made in two weeks of talks, and republicans want the white house to come up with significant spending cuts. senate democratic leader harry reid responded to boehner saying, quote, i don't understand his brain, unquote. >>> when those talks over the fiscal cliff seem to be heading towards a stalemate but do the capitol hill theatrics tell the whole story? here's thousand politico summed it up, listen to top democrats and republicans talk on camera and it sounds like they could not be further apart. but behind the scenes top officials who have been involved in the talks for many months say the contours of the deal are starting to take shape. well, joining me are jason johnson a political professor, t and a republican strategist ron bonjene, ron, let's start with you, both sides know they'll have to make a deal. one congressman says to get it there has to look like this was fighting this way it's kind of like managing the public's expectati expectations, oh, we didn't give anything,
, what's known as the fiscal cliff. and they're talking about the economy as well with the senate majority leader, harry reid, and house speaker, john boehner. this after a 90-minute meeting with president obama at the white house this morning where they called for a quick resolution. the governors spoke to reporters at the white house for 15 minutes after that meeting and we'll show you as much as we can until the house gavels in in just a few minutes. >> well, goorn, everybody. i'm jack, the chair of the national governors association, the governor of delaware, joined by governor fallen of oklahoma, she's the vice chair -- governor fallin of oklahoma, she's the vice chair. the governor of arkansas. we are three democrats and three republicans. we just had what i would say was a very good meeting with the president. we came in part to make sure that the voices and the issues that we face as governors in states are heard and considered as part of the discussions going on here in washington. the president was very open to that. said we would continue to have a seat at the table. we
in mandatory across-the-board spending cuts over one year, to drag our nation over the so-called fiscal cliff. what those tax increases mean to an average american family of four earning $50,000 a year is over $2,000 in higher income taxes. add to that expiration of the alternative minimum tax patch, new taxes mandated by the federal health care bill, and the reinstatement of the death tax, which will impact the next generation of farmers, ranchers, and small business owners, which americans will see the largest tax increase in the history of our country. if all of this happens, the congressional budget office predicts the nation's economy will shrink next year and the unemployment rate could rise again. in other words, we go back into recession. i believe we can avoid the fiscal cliff and address our massive deficit but that requires doing three essential things: reforming our tax code, reforming entitlement programs, and better controlling our spending. we can get additional revenue by reforming our tax code. that means closing loopholes and limiting deductions. by closing loopholes and lim
full-fledged fiscal cliff. >> chris cizilla, what about bringing up the debt ceiling as they did in this opening bid for the white house. they say that this has to be part of any agreement. the president does not want to face this couple of weeks down the road in january. >> and understandably so, andrea, but i -- i guess you never say never, and so let's put it there. i can't imagine that republicans would give on this -- this is something that has always been done by congress. push back and say something always done by congress and until the last few years was never controversial in the least and looks like it will be controversial certainly the next debt limit in late february, early march. i can't imagine, it seems like a bridge too far. it seems like you put it out there, and use it knowing you're not going to get it, use it as one of the concessions you're willing to give to get to a deal. i'm with chuck. i still remain somewhat optimistic, but i do think there is -- you can make a political argument that going over the fiscal cliff, may be in democrats' best political inte
the opportunity to really address the longer-term problem. we will be back on the clip again. the fiscal cliff is approaching. a need to address it. if we do not, there will be an increase in taxes. he will see across the board cuts, including -- we will see across the board cuts, including defensive. it has been determined that this could drive the economy back into a descent and -- recession. we need to make sure we're not doing something short that puts the economy back into the position where we are not generating the kind of revenue we need because of the lack of growth. we need to get unemployment numbers down. this recovery is not your father's recovery. it is different. it is different than the recovery we have had in this country. look at the recovery in 2001 to 2003. we called it the jobless recovery. but by this time, we had brought back 2.6 million jobs. at this point after the recession began, the .6 million jobs had returned. that was -- 2.6 million jobs had returned. that was considered jobless. unfortunately today, we find ourselves 4.2 million jobs short. it is different. unle
joining us. good to have you back caller: hi, bill. >> bill: fiscal cliff, 29 or 30 days ago left today? it's pretty simple to me it seems to me if they scheduled a vote in the house of representatives on the tax cut, continuing tax cut for 98% of americans, it would probably pass. don't you think? >> i am not entirely certain about that. i mean the -- i think the democrats have started coming around on their messaging a little bit. at the beginning of this, they were talking about, president obama, too, were talking about extending tax breaks for 98% of americans, 97% of small businesses. >> that's not true. the tax breaks for any -- for income under $250,000 extends to 100% of americans. everybody gets it. >> the president said that friday in pennsylvania. >> obama had started to talk about how everybody would get these tax breaks with the other income. i think that's a pretty effective message. we will see whether or not they are able to convince anybody of it. republicans in the house are getting a lot of pressure from folks sort of the most
by spending cuts at the first of the year. part of the so-called fiscal cliff. former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mike mullen, was joined at how services committee. this is a less than an hour. >> good afternoon. thank you for coming. my name is peter peterson. i would like to give you a review of why we are supporting this project today. starting about 30 years ago, after studying the profound demographic trends, on the vast and unfunded promise we have made. i have decided was not unsustainable, but a primary threat to the future. speaking of unsustainable, in the nixon white house in which i served, the chairman of the council, if something is unsustainable, he says it continues to stop. or if you don't like that, if your worst eyes, i suggest that you does not dismount. in lieu of that retirement, i decided to set up the foundation to increase awareness of long-term debts and get solutions. never in my experience have these things are more closely linked, in the words of mike mullen. we are endlessly reminded that everything must be on the table, including defense, which
, the consequences of the fiscal cliff are real. from a politicaler speck tiff, president obama is holding all the cards here. if he does nothing, the push area tax cuts expire, raising revenue. spending cuts will bring down the debt and possibly help secure social security and medicare. apparently, the president this is that he is making an offer republicans can't refuse. joining me at table is msnbc contributor, joy reid. cnbc contributor, dan dicker and laura flanders, the host and founder of thanks to all of you for being here. >>> is this, in fact, a new president obama. is the kind of negotiating tactics we are seeing now something that wasn't happening in the first term? >> i want to see that seventh head. i'm really looking forward to that. i love this whole don core leone thing. i know this was one of those things. apparently, they got in touch with a dog food factory. i will put that one aside. >> i don't think anything the administration is doing this time is going to get them on that case. i do think this represent pigs after the last election in the first term, there w
. john boehner said there has been no substantive progress in the fiscal cliff talks. >> whose fault is that. >> stephanie: yes, they have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. it's the same kind of rhetoric, isn't it? >> caller: i guess the election is not over. >> stephanie: yeah yeah, yeah. that seems to be the critical thing. they don't seem to realize that the american people have spoken. >> caller: i think everyone is trying to position himself here to get down to brass tacks which is what is going to happen before you go into oblivion. i'm not surprised with what is going on. the president made a proposal yesterday. $1.6 trillion in revenues which included $960 billion in raising marginal rates. we want the president to keep his promise. that's what the elections are all about. >> stephanie: that's right. we were just reading the latest "washington post" "abc news" poll and it echos the exit polls. 61% want those to pay their fair share, and 70% don't want them to raise the social security medicare eligibility rate. >> that's not the problem raising the rates on the wel
the fiscal cliff comes. lawmakers now have less than a month to compromise and to avoid a year-end deadline that would trigger massive spending cuts and tax hikes for just about everybody. behind-the-scenes negotiations at a stalemate. both sides went public yesterday on the sunday morning shows to make their cases. treasury secretary tim geithner predicted republicans would eventually come around to accept a tax increase on the highest earners. >> you think we'll get a deal by the end of the year? >> i do. i do. the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept that rates are going to have to go up on the wealthiest americans. and i don't really see them doing that. >> if the republicans say sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy, you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in
right now. >>> our country will be heading over the fiscal cliff that we ourselves dug and put in our way. it's the set of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that can only be averted if our nation's leaders are able to display bear bones competence and middle school-level maturity. so is there a deal? >> there's, of course, no deal. >> of course! is there a prospect for a deal? >> there's not a prospect for a deal. >> of course! but the ongoing talks. >> there aren't even very many talks going on. >> you're killing us! give us something. >> but for the first time, there are numbers on pieces of paper from both sides. >> numbers on paper! >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 5th. welcome to "morning joe." live in the nation's capital. this is exciting. and you know, i said, let's do a show from washington, d.c., because they get so much stuff done there. it's like silicon valley. and going there when steve jobs was really bringing apple to the forefront -- >> a happening place. >> it is. it's where things happen. that's why we're here, steve rattner. >> washington is the place
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